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[1:35] * Topic is 'Stendhal 0.73 and Marauroa 2.6.1 released: http://arianne.sourceforge.net/?arianne_url=games/game_stendhal#downloadsection][ public server: http://stendhal.game-host.org ][ want to chat?: /join #arianne-chat ] [ ANY QUESTIONS?: Just ask them and stick around in the channel, maybe an answer will pop up later ]'
[1:35] * Set by kymara on Tue Mar 31 18:35:38 CEST 2009
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[2:07] <mib_yccsyb> ich teste nur
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[8:39] <postman-bot> bardan rented a sign saying "buy night dagger"
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[9:37] <Exiled> hello where can i get XML editor from?
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[9:38] <Exiled> so?
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[9:49] <Exiled> hello?
[9:50] <Exiled> i have a problem doing sothing in xml
[9:50] <Exiled> i can't load creatures pic
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[9:54] <durkham> Exiled: you cant expect that we are online 24/7 and just wait that you come and ask a question, so asking 'so?' after just a minute is a bit impolite
[9:54] <durkham> good morning btw
[9:54] <Exiled> ok.
[9:54] <Exiled> you are nice and friendly eh?
[9:54] <Exiled> it seems you just wook up :-D
[9:55] <durkham> just wanted to point that you lower your chances for an answer that way :-D
[9:55] <durkham> but that is your business not mine
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[10:59] <erdnuggel> hi! is it wilfully that the floor in the house in ados (NR. 73) is grass?
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[14:37] <postman-bot> ejcruz rented a sign saying "Buying a Chaos Dagger leave me a msg :D"
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[14:55] <postman-bot> shadon rented a sign saying "Buy #meat #ham tell my shadon"
[15:59] <postman-bot> DADDYS_GIRL rented a sign saying "i have 2 baby dragon,2 cats 4 sale"
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[20:26] <erdnuggel> Hi kymara :) Don´t know if it is a known bug on the testserver... but I will tell you ;o) In house Nr. 72 in Ados is a "Waterproblem" on the pool, I think we need a tinsmith because the water is outside ;o)
[20:27] <erdnuggel> and the most chests are blank.. no choclate ore something esle inside
[20:27] <kymara> the chests get filled when the house is bought
[20:28] <kymara> but i'll look at the water :)
[20:28] <erdnuggel> ok, thx ;)
[20:30] <kymara> i think it is an older client you have there, i see it ok
[20:30] <kymara> i know those tiles were modified
[20:32] <erdnuggel> ok ;)
[20:34] <kymara> erdnuggel: about house 73 yes it is menat to have a grassy theme
[20:34] <kymara> :)
[20:34] <kymara> did you like it?
[20:35] <erdnuggel> yes ;)
[20:41] <durkham> i updated script on test , so it will start with the correct jar the next time
[20:47] <erdnuggel> ok, now everything is ok with the water ;)
[20:58] <erdnuggel> and thanks for your attantion :)
[20:58] <kymara> np, thanks for testing
[20:58] <erdnuggel> hehe ;o)
[20:59] <kymara> for the release of 0.74 i am tempted not to do a 'new release' purple message when you log in
[20:59] <kymara> this is becaus ei have added a new tutorial event which comes when you have played in game something like over 15 minutes
[20:59] <kymara> which reminds you of the rules
[21:00] <kymara> since some players more recently have been making excuse for bad behaviour or cheating using automation saying theyy didnt know rules
[21:01] <kymara> so, our older players will get this when they login first time for release (i saw no harm in reminding older players of the rules too, god knows some of them need to be reminded)
[21:01] <kymara> if we had a new release message aswell there would be 2 messages when you login and it all gets a bit much
[21:04] <Bluelads4> you mean that "this version is 0.74 but you are using the client of 0.73" message?
[21:05] <kymara> no sorry
[21:05] <kymara> i mean, the message you get when you first arrive at a new release
[21:05] <kymara> like hello welcome to 0.73, in this new version are many changes to houses etc etc
[21:05] <Bluelads4> ah okay
[21:05] <erdnuggel> do you think it is a problem if the comes 2 msg?
[21:05] <kymara> i am thinking not to do one this time because there is already a message about rules when you login, if you are older than 15 minutes :D
[21:05] <erdnuggel> *there
[21:06] <Bluelads4> well I think that this message isn't important because I think the webpage will show the new things and players should take a look there too all in all :)
[21:06] <kymara> i think when you login for a new release it can be confusing already. you login to townhall and get confused. then you see a message and have to read this information and there are so many players there too
[21:06] <Bluelads4> that's correct
[21:06] <Bluelads4> and all talking
[21:06] <Bluelads4> :D
[21:06] <kymara> ok. for this release i dont even know what the news would be
[21:06] <erdnuggel> hmm, right
[21:07] <kymara> sure there are new things, but i dont know what specifically *must* be told when you login
[21:07] <Bluelads4> I think there are so many people in the townhall then that they will ask all in all, which things have been changed for the release
[21:07] <kymara> usually we tell the very important things. like 'fighting changed, dont die'
[21:07] <kymara> ok
[21:07] <Bluelads4> so it's maybe good or an idea to built up some signs there
[21:07] <Bluelads4> like "if you want to see the changings, take a look at the webpage"
[21:07] <kymara> soemtimes i put a sign in semos
[21:07] <Bluelads4> or something
[21:07] <Bluelads4> or that
[21:07] <kymara> yes could do it in townhall
[21:08] <kymara> but i bet they will all just ask :D
[21:08] <Bluelads4> sure they will :D
[21:08] <Bluelads4> and normally over the support :D
[21:08] <erdnuggel> yes :-s
[21:08] <Bluelads4> but we can't say we didn't remind them about the webpage then :D
[21:08] <Bluelads4> or didn't give them hints at all
[21:08] <kymara> if so i think that everything for release is now ready
[21:08] <Bluelads4> :)
[21:08] <Bluelads4> wohoo!
[21:08] <erdnuggel> :)
[21:08] <erdnuggel> yeah
[21:09] <kymara> but i just did an 8 hour shift at work on my feet :D and two more the same tomorrow and day after
[21:09] <kymara> i am wondering if i shoudl do release tonight so that i'm not waiting till i am even more tired :D
[21:09] <Bluelads4> :D
[21:10] <kymara> hmm. i cant login to the machine with teh nice fast connection that i have recently been doing releases from
[21:10] <kymara> it sped them up a lot as i could upload the files in 4 minutes as opposed to 40 minutes
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[21:15] <kymara> perhaps it would be smart to try from server
[21:15] <kymara> just let me know if you get nasty lagging
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[21:19] <durkham> does anyone remmeber if there is a special reason that the attribute 'description' is server side only ? i.e. does not get sent to the client ?
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[21:27] <kymara> those who might remember are likely long gone :( unless they wrote it into commit messages - no whard to find
[21:27] <kymara> if the attribute is sent to client can the player have a modified client where they have written their own description for when another player looks at them?
[21:28] <kymara> i have a question too - can i fiddle anything to make it so players cant login to new version immediately once the server is up and running? like maybe make the port unavailable somehow?
[21:29] <durkham> no the client just would be able to see the description given in xml (not implemented but possible)
[21:30] <durkham> you could start it up with an unknown port first .(dont know if that would help)
[21:30] <durkham> you had to restart it then , when ready for users
[21:31] <kymara> that might help. yes i think that would be ok.
[21:32] <durkham> do we have a feature request for 'let admin close server for login' or 'have startup option for no login ' ?
[21:32] <kymara> so about descriptions - if you cant see why it is as it is now, and it isnt explained in a comment, then i think you should feel free to change it
[21:32] <kymara> so long as its still possible to override the default descriptin server side - like what is done for house key and i'm sure other stuff too - wedding ring
[21:33] <durkham> that is what you get back from server , when you 'LOOK' at it
[21:33] <durkham> that is in no way touched
[21:34] <kymara> ok. i dont think i understand totally as it is beyond me but if it looks like it neednt be that way you can change it :)
[21:34] <kymara> and we can help test after
[21:35] <durkham> i juat wondered as i used get'description' in the new client approach and got no results at all :-D
[21:35] <durkham> then i thought , dont assum it is sent :-) (clever me)
[21:39] <CIA-50> arianne_rpg: kymara VERSION_00_RELEASE_74 * stendhal/src/games/stendhal/server/core/events/TutorialEventType.java:
[21:39] <CIA-50> arianne_rpg: modify the old 0.73 release message for those who did not get it when 0.73 was released (didnt login for that whole time) - dont say its 0.73 just a
[21:39] <CIA-50> arianne_rpg: new release as by the time they login it will now be 0.74 or later.
[21:40] <kymara> thats not a new message
[21:40] <kymara> i just realised, if you hadnt got the old one, you would get it on your next login, but it might not be 0.73 then so dont state the number :)
[21:40] <kymara> what kind of thingies was the description for durkham?
[21:41] <kymara> i mean that you had get'description' on
[21:42] <kymara> would you change for anything that had a Look action?
[21:45] <durkham> atm i am working on the client and i wanted to test if i still get the correct objects, as they do not yet build up correctly , so i found description would be handy
[21:46] <durkham> then i just wondered
[21:47] <kymara> ok
[21:47] <durkham> and it does not have any effect on the look action
[21:47] <kymara> ehehe ok
[21:48] <kymara> see i said i hadnt understood :D
[22:06] <CIA-50> arianne_rpg: astridemma * stendhal/src/games/stendhal/server/entity/Entity.java: make attribute 'description' unhidden
[22:06] <durkham> i will restart and update testserver
[22:06] <durkham> other way round
[22:12] <durkham> done
[22:20] <durkham> woohooo
[22:21] <kymara> does the client need the new marauroa jar or is the one from 2.6.1 sufficient?
[22:21] <kymara> sorry if i asked this at the time that marauroa changes were made but i am just wanting to be sure
[22:22] <durkham> the one in cvs HEAD is enough
[22:22] <durkham> stendhal HEAD i mean
[22:24] <kymara> that is not the one rleased on marauroa 2.6.2
[22:24] <kymara> 2.6.1
[22:24] <kymara> so i need to make a new release?
[22:24] <kymara> of marauroa
[22:25] <kymara> the one on head has been changed since marauroa 2.6.1 was released
[22:27] <durkham> i admit i should have changed version of marauroa earlier :-( sorry
[22:27] <kymara> thats not what i am asking
[22:27] <durkham> and yes please make a release for it then :-)
[22:27] <kymara> ok
[22:28] * durkham is slow typing
[22:28] <kymara> thats ok
[22:28] <kymara> its just webstart and the updater dont necessarily read from lib or libs whatever it is
[22:28] <kymara> i have to tell it explicitly in update.properties
[22:38] <kymara> does anyone want to help me test updater is working?
[22:38] <kymara> if you edit your ~/stendhal/jar/jar.properties file to have the line
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[22:38] <kymara> server.update-prop=http\://arianne.sourceforge.net/stendhal/updates/update.properties.xxx
[22:39] <kymara> you need to then run a client which is a download originally from sf not a self build or for test server
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[23:18] <kymara> hi hendrik
[23:19] <hendrik> hello
[23:19] <madmetzger> hi hendrik
[23:20] <hendrik> Has lag increased during the last two weeks?
[23:20] <kymara> no
[23:20] <kymara> as much as i can give a non subjective answer, no
[23:21] <Bluelads4> hi hendrik :)
[23:21] <kymara> why?
[23:22] <hendrik> because there is now running a postgresql server and a tomcat.
[23:22] <hendrik> both using a bit of ram and cpu time, but they are mostly idle.
[23:22] <kymara> ok. i am pretty sure they are not affecting the server badly, then
[23:22] <hendrik> durkham, i think description was made server-only when the new look-action was introduced.
[23:23] <hendrik> good
[23:23] <kymara> hendrik would you be able to please change the permission (well, ownership might be enough) for website folder screenshots please?
[23:23] <kiheru_laptop> hello hendrik, long time no see
[23:24] * durkham waves at hendrik
[23:24] <durkham> nice to see you
[23:24] <durkham> thanks for the answer
[23:25] <hendrik> it is drwxrwxr-x 3 hendrik marauroa 4096 16. Sep 2008 screenshots/
[23:25] <hendrik> what should it be?
[23:26] <kymara> new files uploaded into it have -rw-rw----
[23:27] <kymara> and owner hendrik
[23:27] <kymara> i thought if the folder owner is marauroa then the new files can at least have owner marauroa too
[23:27] <kymara> and then i can fix the rights manually so they can be seen
[23:28] <kymara> i am not sure, i just know that the new files uploaded into it having both the wrong permissions and a user that i cannot do anything with, is difficult
[23:29] <hendrik> i don't understand why they are owned by me.
[23:29] <hendrik> but i don't like that.
[23:29] <kymara> :)
[23:30] <kymara> most of /var/www/stendhal_website is
[23:34] <durkham> any process starting with your user hend?
[23:34] <kymara> its probably just since way back, he will have set it up
[23:35] <hendrik> but why are newly created files owned by me?
[23:35] <durkham> the user writing the images is hend -> maybe a process runs as you
[23:35] <hendrik> The apache is not supposed to be run as root or hendrik.
[23:35] <hendrik> and you cannot give ownership away unless you are root as far as i know.
[23:36] <durkham> any deamon running as your user ?
[23:36] <kymara> oh ok. i just thought it got inherited from the directory owner
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