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[0:00] <kymara> no but i changed the title on the feature request
[0:00] <kymara> that will take v little time to do Mein_Dino
[0:00] <kymara> I'll try remember to do it before 0.74 :) if i haven't then poke me
[0:01] <kymara> what colour? red? red looks like bad/danger though
[0:01] <kymara> we're not bad/danger we're just Important
[0:01] <kymara> :P
[0:02] <Mein_Dino> mhm which color should be good... ?
[0:03] <Mein_Dino> orange?
[0:03] <Mein_Dino> or yellow? like the admin color ;)
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[0:06] <yoriy> imho best color is magenta, Dino :-) like tutorial color :-)
[0:10] <Mein_Dino> magenta.. like telekom ;)
[0:10] <yoriy> but, in fact, it can act on only those players, who will not read this channel :-)
[0:12] <Mein_Dino> i think orange is cool ^
[0:12] <Mein_Dino> ^^
[0:12] <Mein_Dino> but now i go to bed.. its late ;)
[0:13] <Mein_Dino> good night
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[0:18] <yoriy> good night :-)
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[0:42] <kymara> magenta is like a bright pink, i like pink, that would be reabable
[0:42] <kymara> orange may not be readable enough unless it's a dark 'burnt' orange. i can try that though
[0:44] <kymara> night night
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[9:18] <kymara> proposal: if we supportanswer an offline player, send the message to supporters themselves anyway, with additionally the comment that the player was offline. also send the support message using postman if postman is there
[9:32] <kymara> i often finding myself doing just that, manually, you see
[9:34] <madmetzger> kymara: i think this is a good idea.
[9:34] <Oge-away> so do i
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[9:34] <kymara> woho
[9:34] <kymara> my only worry is this
[9:35] <kymara> bad player does /tell postman tell another Support (kymara) tells you: You're a n00b haha
[9:35] <kymara> well i put 'told you'
[9:36] <kymara> oh
[9:36] <kymara> postman isn't on game
[9:36] <kymara> i wanted to test
[9:36] <kymara> (something else)
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[9:37] <kymara> ok now he is
[9:38] <kymara> it'd then say from him badplayer asked me to deliver this message : Support (kymara) told you: You're a n00b haha
[9:38] <kymara> which of course any observant player will spot the inherent error and realise what happened
[9:38] <kymara> but um
[9:56] <Ogeretal> 2 ideas. First it should work with players who have reach at least a minimum level, for example 10
[9:56] <Ogeretal> and the second one is a blacklist for players above that level
[9:57] <Ogeretal> therefore making a new player is useles to deliver ugly messages
[9:57] <Ogeretal> useless
[10:00] <Ogeretal> the blacklist could be change for a free visit for some time to jail or something else
[10:06] <kymara> this is literally just postman Ogeretal
[10:07] <kymara> as in, only support admin can use supportanswer, of course
[10:07] <kymara> but if we're using postman to delver support messages when players are offline, we're literally just sending him a message saying kymara tells you: Support (kymara) told you + message
[10:08] <kymara> so any player could do that
[10:08] <kymara> do you mean postman should only be allowed to be used for *any* message by players above a certain level?
[10:11] <Ogeretal> no, i think postman is fine
[10:13] <kymara> i don't understand what you mean then
[10:13] <Ogeretal> i might have missunderstood the problem
[10:16] <Ogeretal> but on the other hand, if someone is below a level the character should worry about playing the game, not about postman
[10:16] <kymara> ogeretal, my proposal was to use postman to deliver support messages that are sent when a player is offline
[10:17] <kymara> we do this by sending him a message saying kymara tells you: Support (kymara) told you + message
[10:17] <kymara> he then tells player, kymara asked me to send this message: Support (kymara) told you + message
[10:17] <kymara> i think it's a good idea to do this
[10:17] <kymara> my worry is the chance of other players doing this:
[10:18] <kymara> sorry one sec the message we send to postman is kymara tells you: tell playerwhoneedshelp Support (kymara) told you + message
[10:18] <kymara> anyway right so another player can easily do this
[10:18] <kymara> ./tell postman tell anotherplayer Support (kymara) told you + message
[10:19] <kymara> of course the player who gets that from postman will be told that message is from some other player, not kymara. but they spoofed the rest of the message by hand. do you understand?
[10:21] <madmetzger> would it be possible to have another behaviour for supportanswers? and if yes: how much effort would it take to change behavior for postman?
[10:30] <Ogeretal> ok. i got it
[10:31] <kymara> mad i don't know what 'another behaviour' you mean
[10:32] <kymara> it is easy to change the behaviour of what happens when player is offline
[10:32] <kymara> i already coded that
[10:32] <madmetzger> okay, let me explain "another behaviour":
[10:32] <kymara> we could change behaviour of postman so that anyone sending a message startign with tell (someplayer) Support .... is rejected if that player isn't a support admin
[10:32] <kymara> but why also change supportanswer behaviour, then?
[10:33] <madmetzger> just to prevent spoofing you mentioned
[10:33] <madmetzger> my idea was to let postman spoof the sender of a supportanswer to "support" or sth like that
[10:36] <kymara> :/ i don't feel understood at all
[10:36] <kymara> the normal behaviour is all ok
[10:37] <kymara> I'll just leave it, if it's not broken dont' try to mess with it :)
[10:38] <madmetzger> maybe i understood you wrong.
[10:38] <madmetzger> i thought you were afraid of players spoofing support messages
[10:38] <kymara> don't worry about it
[10:39] <kymara> it's only an issue if we add the option that support messages that were previously 'lost' because the player was offline are sent to postman to tell him oinstead
[10:39] <kymara> it was just an idea, i thought it would be helpful, but it's not important
[10:40] <madmetzger> the idea is very good i think, as it makes support easier
[10:40] <kymara> I've coded that already it's really not hard but as i said it occurred to me that if we start using postman to send those messages when player is offline - *NOT* all support messages then they can be semi-spoofed if a player notices the pattern
[10:41] <kymara> it's not important, i shouldn't have mentioned it
[10:42] <kymara> perhaps the most correct way would set up a login listener and not use postman at all. thus we could colour the messages same colour as the normal supportanswers
[10:43] <kymara> i just figured that recoding a device to send offline messages when we do already have postman to do it is a bit wasteful of resources.
[10:46] <kymara> a utility which sends messages to offline players using zone storage in the same way that the arrest warrants work, would mean that we didn't need to use postman for sending the messages about house tax, divorce, and others. and then we get the option to colour them
[10:46] <kymara> so it would be used in more than one place and makes postman less necessary for other servers, and for test servers
[10:47] <kymara> we can't just use login listener as some of these messages are important and loginlisteners get destroyed on server resers
[10:47] <kymara> resets
[10:49] <kymara> likewise we could use that for vaults, for the messages from dagobert instead of postman
[10:52] <madmetzger> okay... so you were not really worried at all
[10:52] <madmetzger> but yes, the idea is very good
[10:54] <kymara> i was worried
[10:54] <kymara> it's a bad thing if people spoof messages
[10:54] <kymara> i meant the whole idea isn't important, when i said 'kymara: it's not important, i shouldn't have mentioned it'
[10:55] <kymara> if you want an example of what i mean, login to main server
[10:55] <kymara> when you have time
[10:55] <madmetzger> i'll come only for a short time. waiting for my local tomcat to start atm
[10:56] <kymara> long enough to get a postman message
[10:57] <madmetzger> i got one from you
[10:57] <kymara> right, and it spoofed the vault message
[10:57] <kymara> you are smart and you read that kymara sent it
[10:58] <kymara> so you know you didn't really get a soul dagger restored :)
[10:58] <madmetzger> yes, i understood what you meant
[10:58] <kymara> but not everyone reads carefully, it's so easy to drop a word
[10:58] <madmetzger> but yes, it could be a problem
[10:58] <kymara> and although with vaults, house tax, it's not an issue really, i wouldnt' like to see that for support
[10:58] <kymara> so we can eithe rmod the postman bot
[10:58] <kymara> or do what i think is the right thing and write a utility to stop us from abusing him anyway
[10:59] <kymara> which also adds extra functionality for us as we can then colour messages
[11:00] <madmetzger> i think your idea of using a zone storage is more smart than abuse of postman
[11:00] <madmetzger> and if you do the zone storage thingy right, you can use it for normal messages, too imho
[11:01] <kymara> perhaps, but having postman as a rl player is a good way to teach people about the facility
[11:01] <madmetzger> yes, it would not make postman obsolete.
[11:01] <kymara> I've noticed that at least. he could be excluded from /who list, but hendrik wisely pointed that it's one way people find out about him
[11:02] <madmetzger> he still would be responsible of sending supportmessages etc to irc
[11:02] <kymara> yes. good postman :)
[11:03] <CIA-50> arianne_rpg: kymara * stendhal/src/games/stendhal/server/actions/SentenceAction.java: feedback to player about successful change
[11:04] <CIA-50> arianne_rpg: kymara * stendhal/src/games/stendhal/server/actions/buddy/ (AddBuddyAction.java RemoveBuddyAction.java): feedback to player about successful buddy add or remove
[11:04] <kymara> the coloured supportanswer is done but since i started messing with the other thing too, about offline players, I'll remove that and commit it when i getback
[11:04] <kymara> for now i have to go out
[11:05] <kymara> bye for now thanks for ideas bouncing :)
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[12:39] <postman-bot> erdnuggel rented a sign saying "Hello :) I sell chaos sword, 20k"
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[13:20] <- *Mein_Dino* help
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[14:26] <mblanch> urogallo
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[17:39] * Set by kymara on Tue Mar 31 18:35:38 CEST 2009
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[17:40] <Ogeretal> urogallo?
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[21:02] * Set by kymara on Tue Mar 31 18:35:38 CEST 2009
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[21:31] <Moredread> hi
[21:32] <Mein_Dino> hi
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[22:57] <mib_t5hjlw> hi
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[22:58] <kimet> what is the equation to earn atk xp in crow helmet quest?
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[23:41] <postman-bot> kymara rented a sign saying "... remind me not to go idle near poisonous things ... even if it is for a ''good cause'' ... :D thanks v much to mein_dino for getting my items for me"
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[23:47] <tigertoes> kimet are you talking about the quest for the wanna be king?
[23:47] <Mein_Dino> yes thats what he mean!
[23:48] <kimet> yes
[23:48] <Mein_Dino> it depends on the atk/def xp you have but i donk know how much % you get!
[23:49] <tigertoes> Player's ATK XP is increased by 0.1% of his/her XP
[23:51] <Mein_Dino> so if you have 1 mio xp you get 1000 atk/def xp?
[23:51] <kimet> is a total xp?
[23:52] <tigertoes> yes dino
[23:52] <tigertoes> total xp kimet
[23:52] <tigertoes> not def xp or atk xp
[23:52] <tigertoes> the xp that makes your lvl
[23:53] <Mein_Dino> woohoo.. then you could set my queststate to undone? i did it too early ^^
[23:59] <tigertoes> :P
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