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[7:35] <CIA-50> arianne_rpg: kymara VERSION_00_RELEASE_73 * stendhal/src/games/stendhal/server/core/rp/StendhalQuestSystem.java: kill bunny
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[9:11] <kymara> unless there are objections I'll restart server with the version of 0.73 with bunny removed, shortly
[9:12] <kymara> ci dev because the Producerbehaviour code required the produced item to be stackable.
[9:13] <kymara> and the goblet is made using Producer
[9:14] <kymara> of course it could have been done a different way, perhaps. and not use producer even though it was an item to be produced, but the person coding the vampire sword quest had little java experience and was doing their best
[9:17] <kymara> tbh noone should ever have a goblet and an empty goblet in their hand at once. and a single stackable item doesn't show a '1' so visually there is no difference.
[9:18] <postman-bot> Administrator SHOUTS: Hi, please prepare to logout in 3 minutes as the server needs to be restarted. I'll announce again in 3 minutes to logout. Thanks
[9:22] <postman-bot> Administrator SHOUTS: Hi the server needs to be restarted so please could you logout now and return in a few minutes? Thank you
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[17:53] * Set by kymara on Tue Mar 31 18:35:38 CEST 2009
[17:53] [freenode-connect VERSION]
[17:54] <kymara> good eye
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[18:19] <postman-bot> kymara rented a sign saying "Hello I am selling black boots for 30k money or 38 mega potions"
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[18:44] <DarkMatt> Hoi all :)
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[20:25] <Ci-Dev> kymara: How could that ever work to not have a goblet and an empty goblet at once?
[20:25] <Ci-Dev> Just put the goblet on the floor and the NPC thinks you never had one.
[20:25] <Ci-Dev> Hm... Maybe the old vampire could set the quest state to "bring_back" or something.
[20:26] <Ci-Dev> Though, once could have "lost" the goblet and then the quest cannot be done anymore.
[20:26] <Ci-Dev> *one
[20:39] <kymara> then you'd have to lie Ci-Dev
[20:39] <kymara> as he says did you lose the first one?
[20:40] <kymara> if you said yes when really it was right there on the floor you'd be a bug fat liar :D
[20:40] <kymara> *big
[20:40] <kymara> of course it is possible but yes you have to lie :P
[20:40] <kymara> tbh i should have just not used producer behaviour
[20:41] <kymara> I'm better at coding now, i know how to just take the item and do the waiting time manually. but it just seemed right to use it and easier since it was all coded there for you
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[20:45] <kymara> (yes when i said the person who coded it had little java experience and was just doing their best i was in fact talking about myself :P )
[21:38] <Ci-Dev> Hm.
[21:38] <Ci-Dev> Is there the word "noone"?
[21:38] <Ci-Dev> I always thought it was "no one".
[21:38] <Ci-Dev> Or is this what is considered "dialect"?
[21:38] * Ci-Dev talks about Ida in Ados.
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[21:54] <kymara> you pronounce it no-one. i have no idea what's in the dictionary
[21:56] <Ci-Dev> http://www.ldoceonline.com/spellcheck/?q=noone
[21:56] <Ci-Dev> "no-one" or "no one"
[21:57] <yoriy> if you discuss language problems, is this an syntax error, when Katerine ask you: "Wha you want then?" instead "What you want then?" :-)
[21:58] <kymara> no she's a drunk
[21:58] <kymara> and is slurring
[21:58] <yoriy> hehe :-)
[21:58] <kymara> cidev, obviously ida has no dictionary
[21:58] <Ci-Dev> So it is considered "slang"?
[21:59] <kymara> no i don't think so. just a common misuse of language perhaps?
[21:59] <kymara> i can add the hyphen if you like
[21:59] <kymara> as in, so common that i think it's a real word :P
[22:00] <Ci-Dev> I just wonder how "vibrant" the English of the people living in F. should be.
[22:00] <kymara> there is slang in other places
[22:00] <kymara> just not ida
[22:00] <Ci-Dev> Then please teach her proper spelling. :)
[22:00] <kymara> there's quite a few instances of "noone" instead of no one in code
[22:01] <Ci-Dev> Or I can do a patch as well if you are busy.
[22:01] <Ci-Dev> No one "ordinary" sees in-source comments. :)
[22:01] <kymara> me adding a single hyphen is faster than me downloading checking and applying a patch
[22:01] <kymara> there's quite a few instances of "noone" instead of no one in NPC speech then.
[22:01] <kymara> if you prefer
[22:02] <kymara> but anyway normally trivial patches are more work to apply than if i just did the correction but discouraging them would be bad for the project
[22:02] <kymara> in this case there's a few but nothing a fast sed wouldnt' fix :P
[22:02] <Ci-Dev> Do a sed then?
[22:02] <Ci-Dev> s/noone/no-one/
[22:02] <Ci-Dev> Doh.
[22:02] <Ci-Dev> As you proposed. :)
[22:02] <kymara> I'm confused by the 'doh'
[22:02] <kymara> ah ok
[22:02] <kymara> well anyway
[22:03] <kymara> if you want to make a patch that's fine too just that i know there's already still one pending you mentioned
[22:03] <Ci-Dev> doh = 2
[22:03] <Ci-Dev> :/
[22:03] <Ci-Dev> two patches
[22:03] <kymara> yes well you know, there are hardly any active developers atm
[22:04] <Ci-Dev> Oh. :/
[22:04] <Ci-Dev> Take your time then.
[22:05] <kymara> i do keep meaning to got o patches tracker, download yours, check it, apply it, check it compiles, check again what it changed and commit it but i never get round to it
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[22:26] <kymara> Ci-Dev: my slight reservation about using too much slang is that i worry it would decrease understandibility
[22:26] <kymara> as I'm writing npc speech i try to be really aware that many users are either young or don't have english as their mother tongue or both
[22:26] <Ci-Dev> I just worry about people getting a wrong impression on the English language.
[22:26] <Ci-Dev> *of
[22:27] <kymara> heh, they shouldn't use stendhal as their only reference
[22:27] <kymara> but ok. i honestly think noone is understandable. i have no idea if a teacher would mark you down
[22:27] <Ci-Dev> I would if I were...
[22:27] <kymara> i think their *should* be dialects and slang as it makes it interesting, like with the orcs who don't speak a good england
[22:28] <Ci-Dev> Right.
[22:28] <Ci-Dev> I very much agree on that.
[22:28] <Ci-Dev> Makes it "cool".
[22:28] <kymara> yes and the student who said 'but it's like that in stendhal' would hardly be justified in complaining
[22:28] <kymara> no doesn't make it cool
[22:28] <Ci-Dev> But not with non-drunk human NPCs.
[22:28] <kymara> makes it varied
[22:28] <kymara> it's not cool to use slang
[22:28] <kymara> um, dialects aren't only used by drunk people
[22:29] <kymara> its not a 'coolness' thing it's about variation
[22:29] <kymara> anyway i humbly apologise that i had the misconception that it was ok to use 'noone'
[22:30] <kymara> i don't see why some npcs can't sound different from others. not everyone speaks estuary english, surely?
[22:30] <Ci-Dev> There is no right or wrong, but just a decision.
[22:30] <Ci-Dev> And if you add a comment in code saying that "this NPC speaks dialect", it all is fine.
[22:30] <kymara> (this isnt' an argument for keeping noone, at all, I'm just confused why you think that non drunk human npcs can't use slang or dialect)
[22:30] <kymara> well thanks for the advuce
[22:31] <Ci-Dev> I just like language and I like specifications. So I am not a big fan of "wrong use of language". It is just me. So... don't worry too much.
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[22:33] <Dino^afk> is there any admin command, which shows the karma of a player? its not listed in inspect
[22:33] <kymara> go to website and look, would work
[22:33] <Dino^afk> no i am testing something on my own server ;)
[22:33] <kymara> i don't think it even showed before we changed inspect to stop showing the kills and visited
[22:34] <kymara> ask sarzina
[22:34] <kymara> ?
[22:34] <kymara> that's what i used to do for testing
[22:34] <Dino^afk> mhm ok thx ;)
[22:35] <kymara> before anyone wonders why it's not just a number on the character panel, that's because the person who added karma said that the actual numerical value isn't really ''important'' so much as whether it is + and small, = and big, 0 or - etc etc
[22:35] <kymara> so suggested a scale, a bar, with colour
[22:35] <kymara> instead
[22:38] <CIA-50> arianne_rpg: kymara * stendhal/data/conf/items/swords.xml:
[22:38] <CIA-50> arianne_rpg: made the change to
[22:38] <CIA-50> arianne_rpg: fixed double punctuation mark in "hell dagger" description as in patch 2766379 provided by Ci-Dev
[22:51] <CIA-50> arianne_rpg: kymara * stendhal/src/games/stendhal/client/gui/wt/Character.java: apply patch 2751401 by ci-dev which added a missing space, used Constants.CARRYING_SLOTS instead of listing them and fixed a typo
[22:51] <kymara> ok now i can rest easy :P
[22:52] <kymara> I'm not working so much over the next couple weeks so i might be able to get more nice thingies done like some stuff me and yoriy were planning today, and be better at patches
[23:14] <Ci-Dev> Fine. :)
[23:14] <Ci-Dev> One more question to Eclipse:
[23:14] <Ci-Dev> You applied the patch and I updated that file.
[23:15] <Ci-Dev> Doing a patch then makes Eclipse say "No differences.", but the "changed" symbol next to the file remains.
[23:15] <Ci-Dev> Any idea what's going on there?
[23:17] <kymara> no idea i did not use eclipse for it
[23:17] <kymara> maybe you should do 'replace from head'
[23:17] <kymara> i use command line patch command
[23:18] <yoriy> my cvs copy dont want to compile , seems in the madmetzger code
[23:18] <yoriy> [javac] /home/yoriy/projects/stendhal/stendhal/src/games/stendhal/client/entity/RPEntity.java:874: addDialog(java.awt.Component) in games.stendhal.client.gui.j2DClient cannot be applied to (games.stendhal.client.gui.tradingcenter.TradePanel)
[23:18] <yoriy> [javac] j2DClient.get().addDialog(new TradePanel());
[23:18] <kymara> i dont' need to load a cpu and memory heavy IDE to apply a patch ;) my computer is very very old and slow, it takes long enough just getting it off firefox
[23:18] <kymara> yoriy: hm, let me update I'll try too
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[23:21] <kymara> i get the same yoriy now that i have updated. i don't know offhand how to fix it and i need to get into bed soon but hopefully mad will read logs or login tomorrow and we can poke him
[23:21] <yoriy> its ok, i think madmetzger will fix it right after he read this
[23:22] <yoriy> ok, guys :-) hugs all, good night :-)
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[23:43] <kymara> night
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