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[5:28] <yoriy> hi all :-)
[6:15] <yoriy> guys, i have idea about saving pets when server going restart - what if we will create a pair of scripts for it?
[6:18] <yoriy> one, "SavePets.java", will remove all unowned pets from stendhal maps, and either bound it to postman or just fill his "kills" slot :-) other, "RestorePets" will place their back :-)
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[7:27] <postman-bot> butler rented a sign saying "i buy a drow sword. i need it for mayor. send me a message if you want to sell. tnx"
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[9:15] <mrpinkles> Have I forgotten something, or are we not able to leave the main semos screen at present?
[9:16] <yoriy> dont understand it, mrpinkles, what happend?
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[9:17] <mrpinkles> I am not able to leave semos
[9:17] <yoriy> i will check you
[9:17] <mrpinkles> is this normal, or have I forgotten how to move between screens?
[9:18] <yoriy> what is your name in game?
[9:19] <mrpinkles> mrcroup
[9:19] <mrpinkles> sorry
[9:19] <yoriy> ok
[9:19] <yoriy> im near bank
[9:19] <mrpinkles> coming
[9:23] <mrpinkles> ...now I seem to have frozen
[9:24] <mrpinkles> I was able to enter the bar in semos
[9:25] <mrpinkles> but I just tried to enter the blacksmith shop you went into and came out of and I've frozen
[9:26] <mrpinkles> quitting, and trying to log back in
[9:28] <yoriy> i have not enough adminlevel to /inspect you, maybe others can look at you
[9:28] <mrpinkles> when I logged in, I was inside the blacksmith shop in...where is this? keep forgetting the name of this city
[9:28] <yoriy> try make /support message
[9:28] <mrpinkles> alright
[9:28] <yoriy> ados city
[9:29] <mrpinkles> ados. that's the place
[9:31] <yoriy> i hope you using last version of stendhal client, which is 0.72 now
[9:31] <mrpinkles> is there something that leads to where one can make feature requests in the stendhal.game-host.org site?
[9:31] <mrpinkles> yes. I updated when it asked me if I wanted to
[9:32] <mrpinkles> I will try downloading the package, and installing it, since my jar still says .70, even though the window says 0.72
[9:37] <madmetzger> mrpinkles: you can post feature requests at http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=1111&atid=351111
[9:39] <mrpinkles> and all you need to do in order to leave a sccreen is double click the square right next to the edge of the screen, right?
[9:40] <mrpinkles> map section that is?
[9:43] <mrpinkles> AH! when I use direction keys, it works. for some reason the direction keys weren't responding last night
[9:44] <yoriy> :-)
[9:44] <mrpinkles> I was using the double-click to move, because I haven't been playing for a long while, forgot you could move that way, and it didn't seem I could move that way last night
[9:45] <yoriy> i was wrong, there is no high enough adminlevel guy here, who can inspect your head contents :-)
[9:45] <yoriy> joke, mrpinkles :-)
[9:46] <mrpinkles> pft! Good luck to whomever HAD a high enough level to do that. If I get lost in here, I hate to imagine the fate of the poor devil that tries to check out my head that ISN'T a native
[9:47] <yoriy> :-)
[9:47] <mrpinkles> should I send another support message saying nevermind, I'm just a silly person, or do they only get sent to people that are online?
[9:47] <yoriy> no, you dont need :-)
[9:48] <yoriy> i think most of us was like you :-)
[9:48] <yoriy> what about me, i was :-)
[9:49] <mrpinkles> yeah. come to think of it, I probably just had something other than the stendhal window in focus when I tried using the arrow keys
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[11:32] <kymara> <mrpinkles> I will try downloading the package, and installing it, since my
[11:32] <kymara> jar still says .70, even though the window says 0.72
[11:32] <mrpinkles> hm?
[11:32] <kymara> you will have a classpath specifying to use also the diff jars
[11:32] <kymara> 70-71 and 71-72
[11:33] <kymara> when you say yes you want to upgrade version we dont' make you download the whole 72 package
[11:33] <kymara> instead, onlythe diffs between 70 and 71, and 71 and 72
[11:33] <mrpinkles> so you are saying if I click on 0.70, it sees the class path, and opens up the 0.72 jar instead?
[11:33] <kymara> exactly
[11:33] <kymara> because we do magic for you
[11:33] <kymara> :)
[11:34] <kymara> if you run it from a console instead of clicking it tells you explicitly what it is loading
[11:34] <kymara> just if you're interested
[11:35] <kymara> you'll see the diff jars in your ~/stendhal/jar/ folder as well as a jar.properties file specifiying the classpath magic
[11:35] <kymara> i don't know if you use linux and hence ~ means sth to you, or windows and hence ~ is sth like c:\\documents and settings\username\
[11:35] <kymara> or windows vista is different again for ~ (~=home)
[11:36] <kymara> windows renamed the definition of home, god knows why
[11:36] <kymara> oh and you asked : or do they only get sent to people that are online?
[11:36] <mrpinkles> I am interested. I wasn't certain, because I did not know a ~/stendhal/jar folder was created. I just had trhe folder in my download folder, made after I had unzipped it
[11:36] <kymara> they get sent to all admin who are online on IRC aswell using postman - so often we're here in irc or logging irc at least
[11:37] <mrpinkles> ah, okay.
[11:37] <kymara> yeah, it creates one and things like your chatlog would be saved there if you wanted to save chatlog and the log files go there
[11:38] <kymara> (actually i wonder if it wouldnt be a little less obnoxious to create the folder in the same place that the user has unzipped the folder and launched the jar from ... creating folders is kind of obnoxious imho)
[11:39] <kymara> yoriy: i don't think you understand how zone storage of objects works
[11:39] <kymara> currently in stendhal for storage in the db between server resets there are 2 kinds
[11:39] <kymara> player storage (if you own a pet it is stored) and zone storage of objects which have a store() in their constructor, like, the signs in semos
[11:40] <kymara> ung a /script is not the solution.
[11:40] <kymara> *using
[11:40] <mrpinkles> well, as it stands I would have to pin the executable to my start menu, I have nothing telling me where the executable is placed, other than the one I unzipped, and I'm not sure the common user would even know they could pin something to start menu
[11:42] <kymara> it IS requested to start storing pets and in fact it can be done, i know how and it's not diffciult, as i said you put a store() into teh constructor of the object then you write a 'transform' to tell marauroa how to convert the rpobject saved to database into a stendhal rpobject when the server is restarted. i do want to do this and it takes little time, but another does not want it done yet, because they think pets need refactoring
[11:42] <kymara> and having them also stored might make it harder to refactor.
[11:43] <kymara> mrpinkles on the rare occasion that i have been using windows and playing stendhal i make myself a start.bat with the location of the jar and how to run it , i.e. java -Xmx200m -jar path-to/stendhal-0.70.jar &
[11:43] <kymara> just that line
[11:43] <kymara> and that functions very nicely as your executable
[11:45] <kymara> the -Xmx200m option is for raising amoutn of memory initially assigned for java to use
[11:46] <kymara> avoids out of heap space errors
[11:46] <mrpinkles> heh. and I don't even know how to make a bat file
[11:46] <kymara> oh, sorry
[11:46] <kymara> i open notepad and type the line then save it as start.bat
[11:46] <mrpinkles> my first computer was dos-based, and I don't know how to make a bat. how pathetic is that?
[11:47] <kymara> just make sure the .txt isn't inherently there cos windows is hiding your thingy
[11:47] <mrpinkles> it won't. I made windows show me the extensions
[11:47] <kymara> good :)
[11:47] <mrpinkles> I have no idea why they decided to hide them
[11:47] <kymara> because they think users are scared by technical details
[11:48] <kymara> or maybe they didn't like that users could then edit them
[11:48] <kymara> thus making the file type ''unstable''
[11:48] <mrpinkles> oh! but the user will become confused and frightened by extra letters on the end of their files! pft
[11:48] <kymara> yes
[11:48] <kymara> you sound like you shoudl have a dual boot system with linux on one partition, but then if i'm going to get preachy that should be in #arianne-chat as it's not strictly arianne/stendhal related :)
[11:49] <mrpinkles> the good I've heard about windows vista is from people who proffessionally administrate multiple people's home computers. They have said THEY like windows, because their clients are not able to do idiotic things that screw up their computers
[11:49] <mrpinkles> ah. yes
[11:56] <yoriy> kym?
[11:57] <yoriy> about zone storage - i really dont know how it works :-) i just write pure idea
[11:57] <yoriy> i will learn some code, maybe after that i will detalize it or create this scripts myself :-)
[11:58] <kymara> yoriy: it's not worth it for you to write a script doing it, the correct way is to use storage in the constructor and as i explained we shoudl not do that yet, i did ask and i was requested to wait
[11:59] <kymara> your idea was more to use the player storage feature and postman, but players can only 'own' one pet at once
[11:59] <kymara> so postman can't save all free pets
[12:00] <yoriy> but we need only info storage, it can be any object in game, even signs
[12:00] <kymara> signs use store() in their constructor, as i said
[12:00] <yoriy> and scripts can parse this later for restore pets objects
[12:00] <kymara> so do ArrestWarrants, so do the new StoredChests and HousePortals
[12:01] <kymara> yoriy: i have told, that there is a correct way to do it
[12:01] <yoriy> well, i will look at code first anyway
[12:01] <kymara> and that it's not wished by another developer that we do it yet
[12:01] <kymara> so, a /script like yours would not be wished either, i think, especially as it sounds hacky
[12:01] <kymara> and not the correct way to do it
[12:04] <yoriy> hm? hack?
[12:04] <yoriy> ah, you mean workaround
[12:04] <kymara> yoriy, the problem is not that noone knows how to do it
[12:04] <kymara> i could write the code needed in 15 minutes
[12:04] <yoriy> well, i know you can :-)
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[13:21] <durkham> kymara if you only dont do the pet store thing because i asked you to, please go ahead
[13:21] <durkham> dont let you hold back by me
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[13:53] <kymara> i asked if there were any objections to me doing it and you said you objected, if i ignored that then it would have been pointless me asking for objections :D
[13:54] <kymara> i don't want to make refactoring any harder for you, that was the reason you said and it sounds fair. but if you think it won't be much worse then it'd be nice if i can do it
[13:54] <kymara> i mainly just wanted to stop yoriy wasting time on a hacky way
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[14:46] <durkham> it is reall yhard to make situation with code base worse :-D
[14:48] <durkham> as i am not able to do all the refactoring needed in a reasonable amount of time. i think it is worthless, holding things back
[14:50] <durkham> i would appreciate if the tests were respected, and more of them were written. but i am also aware that you ( all of you) are not aware of the usefullness of tests, and dont make use of them anyway.
[14:52] <durkham> i found that there is a major flaw in the client code, reading eventqueue and swing components and main thread
[14:53] <durkham> there might also be bugs on the server side regarding thread safety.
[14:54] <durkham> i deeply believe there are still memory holes
[14:54] <durkham> my refactoring is stuck anyway, due to me being unable to find my position.
[14:57] <mrpinkles> where was it one could find what it needed insofar as graphics?
[14:58] <mrpinkles> for contributors that would like to contribute graphics that is
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[15:12] <mrpinkles> was there a list of things you needed drawn?
[15:16] <mrpinkles> oh. duh. a list of tiles on the same page I was looking at
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[15:51] <storyteller> Hi all!
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[16:28] <kiheru_> mrpinkles: the lists may be out of date, so it's a good idea to ask about any particular image you are about to draw, before doing so
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[18:05] <osl> AFAIU it, refactoring implies not holding back changes as well as not rewriting something anew from scratch, and as durkham1 says, being it a single person's endeavour, the waiting could last undefinitely... so I'd suggest implementing the pet zone persistence feature too.
[18:09] <osl> And durkham1, we should try to find a position from which you can keep working comfortably.
[18:15] <osl> kiheru_: about the graphics, are there any pending tasks that need to be done and haven't been covered yet or what's left is merely possibly adding new graphics for new objects?
[18:20] <osl> durkham1: what possible visible consequences could derive from that "major flaw in the client code, reading eventqueue and swing components and main thread"?
[18:22] <osl> e.g. lack of responsiveness?
[18:22] <durkham1> one of the consequences is the bug reported to all staying gray if the (system) eventqueue and the code interfere
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[18:24] <yoriy> Hi, osl :)
[18:24] <osl> hi, yoriy :)
[18:31] <durkham1> bye
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[18:55] <osl> "To have all the client code restructured on client side, we need to tear down every single line of code and replace it. " -> it looks more like a rewrite than a refactoring then? :/
[19:04] <osl> Anyway, durkham, there's really a need to discuss what conditions are required to allow you to work more comfortably and then I think that you should focus on the client first, as it seems it is the part of the code which is subject to less changes between releases and thus the most abandoned by development in spite of being the most visible to end users.
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[20:46] <tigertoes> kymara are you there?
[20:56] <kymara> i am now
[21:11] <tigertoes> oh... didnt check back.. were you gonna do the release this weekend?
[21:27] <kymara> i can't tomorrow, possibly sunday evening. why?
[21:27] <tigertoes> didnt know about whether to commit apts
[21:27] <tigertoes> i can wait til later
[21:28] <kymara> hm, it's the interiors map redecorating yes?
[21:28] <kymara> i think it's safe to commit them
[21:28] <tigertoes> ok
[21:28] <kymara> i'll get on and make a brnach asap
[21:28] <tigertoes> there are many houses that can be added to ados
[21:28] <kymara> sorry i was super busy :)
[21:28] <tigertoes> not a problem, i have been too ;)
[21:29] <kymara> they'd be totally new interiors, right?
[21:29] <tigertoes> yes, with some new pics
[21:29] <kymara> well, you could add them but is it ok not to hook them up to ados city yet?
[21:30] <tigertoes> i meant the others to add now.. ados city will be a while
[21:30] <tigertoes> update, not add
[21:30] <kymara> committing the prettified apartments is fine by me
[21:30] <tigertoes> ook, thanks
[21:31] <kymara> and prettified existing ados houses is ok too - just check that they work when you walk into them in test server - you know not any til;es in objects layer that cause client to crash
[21:31] <kymara> brand new ados tmx and gfx to match, i'm ok if you commit, but don't editthe xml yet, i think
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[21:32] <tigertoes> will take time to get it all organized. ados, that is.. i want to show you the image of what i have planned before i tackle it... but i am working on fixing some of the images i added before i understood totally how tiled worked
[21:33] <kymara> ok. just be really careful if you edit exiting images used in maps cos it takes ages to check about compatibility
[21:33] <kymara> do you mean like your making your images more easily tileable?
[21:33] <tigertoes> no, they will be new ones
[21:33] <tigertoes> yes
[21:33] <kymara> ok
[21:33] <kymara> :)
[21:34] <tigertoes> ones that are not used, cause they really cant be
[21:34] <tigertoes> just pretty and i couldnt resisit adding them
[21:34] <kiheru> ah, a thread bug could certainly explain some of the mysterious behaviour of the client
[21:36] <kiheru> osl: there should not be any images that absolutely need to be changed, but a ton of those that could be better; and for some things we don't have good images for
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[21:58] <CIA-26> arianne_rpg: tigertoes * stendhal/tiled/ (2 files in 2 dirs): minor tweaks
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[22:04] <CIA-26> arianne_rpg: tigertoes * stendhal/tiled/interiors/ados/house_53.tmx: fixed collision
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